tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6216910.post7165860780376519519..comments2023-10-30T01:52:04.961-07:00Comments on Miniver Cheevy: Zimmerman's certaintyJonathan Kormanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06249159323930786199noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6216910.post-73646259786196995502015-01-11T15:24:21.897-08:002015-01-11T15:24:21.897-08:00I find it fascinating that we could take your pres...I find it fascinating that we could take your presumptions about GZ to be precisely the case, with only a few modifications, to anything that goes under the header of 'black on black crime'. <br /><br />I cannot and did not get exercised about this case because it is all to common in America and in the history of mankind that sometimes things come to deadly blows about who belongs in what place and who is going to do something about it. But very little of this blows up into something that takes the imagination of an entire nation into the level of mindset speculation of this case. And I say this years after the fact.<br /><br />There are 17,000 murders a year. Should we use social media to second guess the court system using some kind of system of assessing the motivations for the use of force that turns deadly? I say we shouldn't. Why? Because in the course of human events, shit gets real, and we owe the common man some space to deal with his own shit in his own way without getting all police state medieval on his ass.Cobbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14540420277243106564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6216910.post-6139221440370917412013-07-19T12:41:31.195-07:002013-07-19T12:41:31.195-07:00This is all speculation and supposition about what...This is all speculation and supposition about what MIGHT have happened IF Zimmerman were a certain way. In other words just fantasy.<br />You claim that this fantasy scenario you created supports the fact that the system is broken. If that's true, then there are wicked witches because there might be a cowardly lion.<br />The whole problem with your argument is that it's based on speculation, and the courts deal with law and facts. But since you are speculating, in this theoretical world you constructed the police thoroughly gather facts, everyone tells the truth to the cops, and Zimmerman is bigoted and arrogant. He still doesn't go to jail because its not against the law to be bigoted or egotistical. Those are personality traits you invoke. There is no law against having a personality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6216910.post-8734823060087925252013-07-19T08:43:52.239-07:002013-07-19T08:43:52.239-07:00You don't even have to picture him as a hothea...You don't even have to picture him as a hothead. He could have been a peaceful, well-meaning person who thought he was doing his neighborhood a commendable service. Even with that *positive* depiction of his character he would have been guilty of manslaughter.agleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05959363258060540600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6216910.post-35275085792362608932013-07-19T08:33:38.986-07:002013-07-19T08:33:38.986-07:00My first reaction was to believe Zimmerman did ind...My first reaction was to believe Zimmerman did indeed try to restrain Martin. This doesn't imply I would have voted to convict -- I think I would have reluctantly acquitted based on the judge's instructions -- but if I'd been forced to pick one narrative and vote for it, that would have been my top guess, and I'm not sure I can think of one that would have been a close second.<br /><br />When I learned about Zimmerman's relief at being told there was a videotape I began to doubt myself. Maybe he called their bluff and faked that reaction? But that wasn't a satisfying explanation.<br /><br />Your observations here make sense. He could have been relieved because he was mistaken about the implications of what a videotape would show. I am comfortable again saying I believe Zimmerman tried to restrain Martin, again with the caveat that I'm not saying this was proven beyond reasonable doubt.agleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05959363258060540600noreply@blogger.com