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17 February 2015

An open letter

To the Mysterious Author who writes the PantyCon schedule:


I have an unsolicited word of advice, in this moment when a lot of people are unhappy with you. I’m going to ask that you do something that probably runs counter to your instincts:

Apologize.

That's a strong suggestion, and both you and the community deserve a clear explanation for why I propose it. That means, I'm afraid, that I must get long-winded in the name of clarity.

(Update: PantyCon apologizes in the comments below this post.)


First, an important aside

As this is an open letter I have a responsibility not only to you but to the other people who may read this. So let me address them for a moment.

For the uninitiated: PantyCon is a faux convention schedule for the big indoor Pagan conference PantheaCon, which was just held last weekend. It is created not by the convention itself but rather by some unknown wag and consists mostly of listings for imaginary talks and classes in the same format as the real convention schedule. It's mostly composed of inside jokes about Pagan culture, ranging in tone from gentle teasing to biting criticism.

Also: I'm going to comment on the “class listing” which many Pagans of Color found hurtful. To do that properly I have to quote it and some other hurtful comments. So to be on the safe side, I want to flag that this means that this letter itself may be painful for People of Color to read. I believe in using trigger warnings sparingly, so much so that I have never used one on this blog before, but in this case I must say: trigger warning for racism.

Okay. That aside done, I return to addressing the Mysterious Author of PantyCon.


What I think you were doing

I’m pretty sure that the criticisms of PantyCon for being racist which some people have been making have surprised and frustrated you.

You’re an ironist, offering an exaggerated funhouse mirror version of Pagan culture’s moments of paradox and pomposity and hypocrisy. You're obviously hoping at least to wring a laugh out of these failings and at best to speak the unsaid, reminding us to try to do better. Irony is a magical technique, speaking words to create change. But it is a wild magic, and it can be hard to control who it burns.

It has slipped out of your control this week, Mysterious Author, and it burned the wrong people.

Let’s look at what you said:

Ignoring Racism: A Workshop for White Pagans
Large Umbrella Pagan Group

Isn’t all this talk of social justice and racism just tiring? Don’t you wish you could just ignore it and put out meaningless statements of pure pablum? We’ll discuss how to ignore requests for consideration by pagans of color, cover up racist actions of high-ranking members, and pretend that you don’t understand the resulting outrage. Remember, #AllLivesMatter, except when it’s uncomfortable or inconvenient.


Large Umbrella Pagan Group has been around for long enough that they think that they can get away with this stuff.

It is the ironist’s method not to say outright who they are criticizing. But I am not bound by that stricture, so when I read you mentioning “meaningless statements of pure pablum”, I think of the non-statement Perspectives on Racial Issues in the United States from The Troth and this bowl of mush from the Covenant of the Goddess, a large umbrella Pagan group who have been around for long enough:

We, the members of the Covenant, acknowledge and share the concern that many in our world and within our Pagan communities have voiced regarding inequalities in justice. We find that all life is sacred, and as such, all lives matter.

Today, we the members of the Covenant especially stand together with people who are not privileged by race and class and say to you: Your life matters. We stand with you and work alongside you in ending the systems that disenfranchise you. We encourage and support all efforts by those within our communities to explore the realities of racial inequality and to work to find ways to eliminate these injustices. We hope this will create a wave of introspection and reflection throughout our world, bringing about new levels of understanding and an appreciation for the unique expression of the Sacred we each embody. We stand together with communities seeking nonviolent means of safety and reform, for the unnecessary harm of any person is an affront to the Sacred and is in contrast to our central ethical tenet: An it harm none, do what ye will. May the work we do together today create a peaceful and just tomorrow.

CoG’s statement has received criticism from Pagan commentators like Terence P Ward and Caer for being a grossly inadequate response to the Black Lives Matter movement. I agree with those critics, and I imagine that you do too, Mysterious Author.

I read you as trying, in your “Ignoring Racism” faux talk listing, to add your voice to theirs, criticizing CoG and The Troth and other Pagans like them who have made anodyne statements “against racism” that are so inadequate for this moment that they are ignoring racism, not confronting it. But I'm a White guy, and that informs how I read it.


The problem

The faux class listing was hurtful to some Pagans of Color in several ways.

Whatever your intentions were, many didn't read you the way I did. In the context of a Pagan culture and a conference environment that is all too often unwelcoming at best and overtly hateful at worst, they were too raw and found your joking irony on the subject hurtfully insensitive to their situations and experiences. Some read you as making light of the need to stand up against racism, or mocking it outright.

Pagans of Color have cause to be wary of attention which creates chain reactions of overt racism, microaggressions, and other encounters that make the environment feel unsafe both physically and emotionally.

Some Pagans of Color (especially those new to PantheaCon) could all too easily stumble into reading the faux talk listing in a context that makes it look real.

And even for those who recognized the irony, we are in a moment when too many people have defended unfunny racist jokes as “ironic”, fatiguing patience with “irony” so much that even the clearest imaginable ironist simply cannot portray racism without participating in the machinery of racism themselves. I love the use of irony for critique, but in these times critics of racism must apply not irony but sincerity.


Having seen how deeply this pained people, I am heartbroken. Even if I am right that you intended to speak in the noble tradition of using humor to punch up (at the powerful like CoG and the Troth) rather than down (at Pagans of Color) the fact remains that you have wounded people in the Pagans of Color community, people who deserve a Pagan culture which is much more supportive than it is now.

Social justice practice rightly teaches us that we cannot dismiss responsibility for the effects of our words and actions by pointing to our good intentions.


What I ask of you

I dread a bizarre spectacle of the Pagan community engaged in a witch hunt, devoting more energy to looking for you than to examining the racism of people and institutions who have worse failings and a lot more power and influence than you do.

I doubly dread the prospect of White Pagans looking at what you said, reading it as I did, watching the reaction it has produced, seeing you criticized while CoG remains welcome at PantheaCon, and coming to the exact wrong conclusion — that they had best not engage in discussions of racism at all, lest a misstep make them a target of overwhelming criticism by the community. We need this moment not to chill White engagement in fighting racism in our community.

And worst of all, as someone who has fought to make PantheaCon a force for a more inclusive Pagan community both this year and in the past, I am horrified to see a lot of hard work being undone by your joke. There are a lot of Pagans of Color who see you as demonstrating that they are not welcome in Pagan spaces, demonstrating that their experiences of racism will not be taken seriously. We need in this moment to affirm that Pagans of Color are welcome and will receive the vigorous hospitality of a community dedicated to acting against racism.


You have the power to fix this, and thus you have a responsibility. Now is a moment when we have an opportunity to model the Pagan culture we want. So I encourage you to do the right thing:

Confess to writing the offending passage in PantyCon. Apologize to the community of Pagans of Color for having hurt some among them. Apologize to the Pagan community at large for having made it less welcoming to some among us.

I understand that it's counter to your instincts as an ironist to repudiate the joke, and that it's now risky for you to expose yourself. But you have an opportunity to take a mistake that has weakened our community and turn it into an example that will make us stronger.

Be brave.


My pledge to you

If you make a clear apology — accepting responsibility for harming Pagans of Color without dwelling on justifications — then I will be in your corner. Social justice activists have been clear that though we must work hard to avoid them, mistakes are inevitable, and so we must recover from them gracefully. Do that, and I will turn from your critic to your advocate.




Commentary on this blog post

I hope that other members of the Pagan community will co-sign this letter. Co-signatories need not agree with the letter in every particular, but should at least join me in my pledge. If any Pagans of Color co-sign, I ask that they identify themselves as such.

I am reserving the comment thread on this page for people to join me as co-signatories on this letter; any other comments on this page will be deleted.

But in the hope that this letter will garner comments and criticism, I have created a separate page on my blog for commentary and discussion. I will also try to index every discussion of the letter which I know about on that supplemental page. I encourage folks commenting elsewhere to contact me by email, so that my index can be as complete as possible.

I strongly encourage anyone to repost this letter, in whole and in part, but I ask that all re-posts link back to this page.


In anonymous comments, the the PantyCon authors respond:

We are the current writers of the PantyCon. Although we are individuals with our own feelings and opinions on the reaction to this year’s issue, we have all agreed on this statement. Our delay in releasing it is because we are a group separated geographically once we leave PantheaCon, there was a lot for us to consider and examine in making a coordinated response, and we wanted to be sure to get this right.


First, an apology:

We all deeply regret that this year’s PantyCon was hurtful to the Pagans of Color who are already so unjustifiably marginalized in our community. It was the exact opposite of our intention, and we recognize that that does not absolve us in any way from the very real pain that was caused. We welcome those POC who attended PantheaCon this year and were hurt by our work to email us (pantycon.email@gmail.com) if they wish to for any reason, and we would be happy to have the chance to apologize personally to those who do.


Second, some background, for those who want it:

The PantyCon has always been a group effort, and the people involved have changed a lot over the years. Sometimes it has been a couple of people, sometimes it has been a larger group. It has been diverse as to gender, race, and cis-/trans- identity. In the past, the group has included PantheaCon staff, although not currently. Ideas for what to include have been taken from anyone with an opinion, whether they knew they were talking to a PantyCon writer or not.

For the past several years, the group has included at least one POC contributor. This is still the case.

Over the years, the PantyCon has personally mocked Don Frew, CAW, Starhawk, Raven Grimassi, Lon Milo DuQuette, Z Budapest, the Dustbunnies Coven, Taylor Elwood, and an enormous list of other PantheaCon presenters, all of whom were undoubtedly very dedicated and sincere in the material they were presenting.

But if you look back through every issue of the PantyCon, here is what you will not find. You will not find anything mocking explicitly POC space or events, you will not find anything mocking explicitly trans space or events, you will not find anything mocking those dealing with addiction or disability, despite the fact that all of these groups would be seen as easy targets by a lot of people doing satirical work.

The PantyCon is, and always has been, an explicitly anti-racist, trans-supportive, anti-kyriarchical, feminist publication. The only direction we punch is up.

It was a POC member who first raised the idea of writing up a piece taking on the actions of COG and other groups in the wake of the numerous incidents of police violence against Black men and the #BlackLivesMatter movement. As is pretty standard for the PantyCon, the actual text was written by whoever had time and then tweaked by everyone involved before printing.

Was it vicious and biting? Yes. It was intended to be. It was intended to be very squarely calling out the subtle (and not so subtle) racism of pagan groups like COG who choose to ignore the realities of systematic inequality in favor of nicey-nicey blandness that takes no moral stance on one of the essential moral issues of our day.

We did not see this as any different from the piece we did a few years back, skewering Z Budapest for insisting on trans-exclusionary rituals, which called her out in the same way with an over-the-top fake ritual entry.

Had any of us thought that the piece would make POC feel unsupported at PantheaCon, we would never have included it. We expected blowback from angry COG members, and we were prepared to deal with that. We were not prepared for our words to be read as the opposite of what they were crafted to be, and as the writers, we take full responsibility for that.

The POC who found the piece hurtful do not owe us the benefit of the doubt, especially given the problems of racism within the pagan community. We do, however, hope that this apology will help anyone who has been hurt or made to feel even more marginalized in the pagan community by our work to feel a little less wounded by our words and the way they were presented.


Third, a few thoughts on appearances vs. substance:

We have wondered whether this might have been less of a controversy if we had chosen to hide that piece somewhere in the middle of the back page, rather than putting it front and center. The placement was deliberately chosen, because we did not want it to be ignored the way that racism has been in our community over and over again. Unfortunately, this meant that anyone who didn’t have the few decades of experience with PantheaCon and the PantyCon that we do could easily mistake the entry as serious, because there wasn’t enough context of the few dozen other entries to mark it as obviously a joke. Again, that misstep is on us.

We find it not a little maddening, however, that we are being threatened with expulsion from PantheaCon for ineptly calling out racism, while the people whose actual racist actions were the target of our piece are still sitting pretty in a PantheaCon-approved hospitality suite.

The only conclusion we have been able to reach about that evidence of hypocrisy is that by calling out the racism in our community we made PantheaCon look bad in a way that was not ignorable. COG’s racism is ignorable. The racism present in various presentations and workshops is ignorable. The racism in passing that occurs in the hallways of PantheaCon is ignorable. Something that looks almost official and plausible as a real diet-racism presentation that, as people have pointed out, plenty of people in our community might actually want to take? Not ignorable.

Making racism at PantheaCon not ignorable in this way isn’t worth the pain the PantyCon caused to POC PantheaCon attendees. It’s not an after-the-fact justification, and if we could unpublish that piece we would. But we’ll take the discussion it has started as the tiniest of silver linings to a situation that has hurt so many people.


Finally:

We sincerely apologize for the pain we have inadvertently caused. With the best of intentions we still fucked up, and we acknowledge that.

We will not be releasing our names. There is no single scapegoat to ban from community events over this, and even if there were, it would be a simplistic response to the complex issue of racism in the pagan community.

This will be our only public response. We have no desire to defend our original piece or reiterate or parse this response, and engaging in any public forum runs the risk of causing additional hurt, not to mention being difficult to simply coordinate. We will apologize personally to any POC PantheaCon attendee who wishes to email us at pantycon.email@gmail.com and will engage in dialogue if that is desired on their part.

We will continue publishing the PantyCon at future PantheaCons, with great intention towards making sure that our humor hits at the ridiculous and the hypocritical within our community without hurting those who are already marginalized. We are more than willing to take input on that from any and all marginalized groups within the pagan community, using the pantycon.email@gmail.com email address.

We await with bated breath PantheaCon’s announcement of a new policy restricting hospitality suites to organizations without a major race/gender/class-based controversy in the past year.

61 comments:

  1. Rev. Gina A. Pond - Circle of Cerridwen/Between the Worlds Church/st4r.org

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  2. I agree with and support this letter. I've shared it on social media, and on my own blog.

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  3. I agree with and support this letter. Thank you, Jonathan. I appreciate your thoughtfulness.

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  4. Doyenne Rowan Nightshade, CAYA Coven

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  5. I agree with and support this letter.
    Maeryn Boirionnach

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  6. Mambo Chita Tann (Tamara L. Siuda), signing on too. Thank you for writing this, Jonathan.

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  7. Maia Something18 February, 2015

    I co-sign and agree with this call and have forwarded the url to someone I know has contact with the author.

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  8. In the UK, where I live, the definition of harassment is persisting in offensive comments after the perpetrator has been informed that they are offensive to the person on the receiving end. And the person on the receiving end gets to define what is offensive to them. That means, if People of Colour find this offensive and insensitive, thrn the author of it should apologise, even if their intentions were good. If the PantyCon schefule is not clearly marked as satire / sendup then it isn't obvious. The fact that some prople thought this was a real workshop shows that we are not yet at a point where this can be seen as funny.

    Co- signing.
    Yvonne Aburrow

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  9. *hat tip*

    Co-signing,
    David Dashifen Kees

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  10. Well said. I agree. It seems clear that no harm was intended. Take responsibility for the unintended harm, and we will support you.
    --Ember--

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  11. Cosigned,

    One Very Exhausted With All This Bullshit Pagan of Color

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  12. Let's all continue to learn together.

    co-signed - T. Thorn Coyle

    ps http://www.pagansagainstracism.org

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  13. Supporting this letter, cosigning, and reposting/sharing on social media.

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  14. Apologies cost little but humility & willingness to truly listen. And justice requires bravery.

    In solidarity,

    Lee Gilmore

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  15. I support this letter.

    Taylor Ellwood, Managing Editor of Immanion Press

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  16. I support and agree with this letter.

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  17. I agree with and support this letter completely. I will share this letter as far and wide as I can.

    Gwion Raven - Reclaiming Witch and Teacher.

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  18. I am co-signing as well.

    Soli / Shezatwepwawet

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  19. Thank you for writing this, Jonathan.

    I agree with and support this letter.

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  20. Co-signed, in the hope that we can find a compassionate, constructive resolution to this situation. Thank you, Jonathan.

    Elena Rose (PoC)

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  21. So many groups live by the motto "And it harm none..." in some form or another.

    Others felt harmed in this case. That's all the reason needed for an apology.

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  22. Christopher Douglas Salvatore Hughes
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    P. Ualerium Tristissima Liber
    Staci Everheart
    Grok Amiri
    et alia laughing and weeping
    Wizard Lizard
    Princess Teacup
    Pope Uncommon the Dainty
    Gandalfina Ixtliyollotl Face-and-Heart
    Merlin Monroe

    In all my names, and in all the names I have not yet acquired, as the Beast with Flowered Horns, the muppet with all of the saints of eir name playing and dancing upon eir skin, and with all my magicks and in view of all my gods, I co-sign this letter with you, Jonathan Korman, and all who have and will co-sign it.

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  23. I support this letter. Here is to healing.

    Co-signed, Niki Whiting

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  24. I agree with this letter and include my signature.

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  25. Agreed. Thank you, Jonathan.

    Co-signed,
    Crow Walker

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  26. I am happy to cosign this balanced and compassionate open letter.

    Miriam Batasherah Green

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  27. Signed.
    Morpheus Ravenna, Coru Cathubodua Priesthood

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  28. Bran Bairseach18 February, 2015

    Bran Bairseach, Reclaiming Witch and Ritualist

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  29. Cosigned.
    Jennifer Buckley

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  30. Understanding how something that can seem clever (or meaning to say the Emperor has no clothes) once it's said/written clearly isn't. Part of our ethics as Pagans is taking responsibility for our actions.

    signing on
    Helen/Hawk
    Reclaiming priestess and Sonoma County Pagan Network

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  31. We are the current writers of the PantyCon. Although we are individuals with our own feelings and opinions on the reaction to this year’s issue, we have all agreed on this statement. Our delay in releasing it is because we are a group separated geographically once we leave PantheaCon, there was a lot for us to consider and examine in making a coordinated response, and we wanted to be sure to get this right.

    First, an apology:

    We all deeply regret that this year’s PantyCon was hurtful to the Pagans of Color who are already so unjustifiably marginalized in our community. It was the exact opposite of our intention, and we recognize that that does not absolve us in any way from the very real pain that was caused. We welcome those POC who attended PantheaCon this year and were hurt by our work to email us (pantycon.email@gmail.com) if they wish to for any reason, and we would be happy to have the chance to apologize personally to those who do.

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  32. Second, some background, for those who want it:

    The PantyCon has always been a group effort, and the people involved have changed a lot over the years. Sometimes it has been a couple of people, sometimes it has been a larger group. It has been diverse as to gender, race, and cis-/trans- identity. In the past, the group has included PantheaCon staff, although not currently. Ideas for what to include have been taken from anyone with an opinion, whether they knew they were talking to a PantyCon writer or not.

    For the past several years, the group has included at least one POC contributor. This is still the case.

    Over the years, the PantyCon has personally mocked Don Frew, CAW, Starhawk, Raven Grimassi, Lon Milo DuQuette, Z Budapest, the Dustbunnies Coven, Taylor Elwood, and an enormous list of other PantheaCon presenters, all of whom were undoubtedly very dedicated and sincere in the material they were presenting.

    But if you look back through every issue of the PantyCon, here is what you will not find. You will not find anything mocking explicitly POC space or events, you will not find anything mocking explicitly trans space or events, you will not find anything mocking those dealing with addiction or disability, despite the fact that all of these groups would be seen as easy targets by a lot of people doing satirical work.

    The PantyCon is, and always has been, an explicitly anti-racist, trans-supportive, anti-kyriarchical, feminist publication. The only direction we punch is up.

    It was a POC member who first raised the idea of writing up a piece taking on the actions of COG and other groups in the wake of the numerous incidents of police violence against Black men and the #BlackLivesMatter movement. As is pretty standard for the PantyCon, the actual text was written by whoever had time and then tweaked by everyone involved before printing.

    Was it vicious and biting? Yes. It was intended to be. It was intended to be very squarely calling out the subtle (and not so subtle) racism of pagan groups like COG who choose to ignore the realities of systematic inequality in favor of nicey-nicey blandness that takes no moral stance on one of the essential moral issues of our day.

    We did not see this as any different from the piece we did a few years back, skewering Z Budapest for insisting on trans-exclusionary rituals, which called her out in the same way with an over-the-top fake ritual entry.

    Had any of us thought that the piece would make POC feel unsupported at PantheaCon, we would never have included it. We expected blowback from angry COG members, and we were prepared to deal with that. We were not prepared for our words to be read as the opposite of what they were crafted to be, and as the writers, we take full responsibility for that.

    The POC who found the piece hurtful do not owe us the benefit of the doubt, especially given the problems of racism within the pagan community. We do, however, hope that this apology will help anyone who has been hurt or made to feel even more marginalized in the pagan community by our work to feel a little less wounded by our words and the way they were presented.

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  33. Third, a few thoughts on appearances vs. substance:

    We have wondered whether this might have been less of a controversy if we had chosen to hide that piece somewhere in the middle of the back page, rather than putting it front and center. The placement was deliberately chosen, because we did not want it to be ignored the way that racism has been in our community over and over again. Unfortunately, this meant that anyone who didn’t have the few decades of experience with PantheaCon and the PantyCon that we do could easily mistake the entry as serious, because there wasn’t enough context of the few dozen other entries to mark it as obviously a joke. Again, that misstep is on us.

    We find it not a little maddening, however, that we are being threatened with expulsion from PantheaCon for ineptly calling out racism, while the people whose actual racist actions were the target of our piece are still sitting pretty in a PantheaCon-approved hospitality suite.

    The only conclusion we have been able to reach about that evidence of hypocrisy is that by calling out the racism in our community we made PantheaCon look bad in a way that was not ignorable. COG’s racism is ignorable. The racism present in various presentations and workshops is ignorable. The racism in passing that occurs in the hallways of PantheaCon is ignorable. Something that looks almost official and plausible as a real diet-racism presentation that, as people have pointed out, plenty of people in our community might actually want to take? Not ignorable.

    Making racism at PantheaCon not ignorable in this way isn’t worth the pain the PantyCon caused to POC PantheaCon attendees. It’s not an after-the-fact justification, and if we could unpublish that piece we would. But we’ll take the discussion it has started as the tiniest of silver linings to a situation that has hurt so many people.

    Finally:

    We sincerely apologize for the pain we have inadvertently caused. With the best of intentions we still fucked up, and we acknowledge that.

    We will not be releasing our names. There is no single scapegoat to ban from community events over this, and even if there were, it would be a simplistic response to the complex issue of racism in the pagan community.

    This will be our only public response. We have no desire to defend our original piece or reiterate or parse this response, and engaging in any public forum runs the risk of causing additional hurt, not to mention being difficult to simply coordinate. We will apologize personally to any POC PantheaCon attendee who wishes to email us at pantycon.email@gmail.com and will engage in dialogue if that is desired on their part.

    We will continue publishing the PantyCon at future PantheaCons, with great intention towards making sure that our humor hits at the ridiculous and the hypocritical within our community without hurting those who are already marginalized. We are more than willing to take input on that from any and all marginalized groups within the pagan community, using the pantycon.email@gmail.com email address.

    We await with bated breath PantheaCon’s announcement of a new policy restricting hospitality suites to organizations without a major race/gender/class-based controversy in the past year.

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  34. I co-sign this letter and hope that fruitful opportunities for mutual learning is the outcome.

    Crystal Blanton

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  35. I cosign this letter.

    Ryan Smith

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  36. I cosign this letter.

    Jeremy McCown

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  37. Signed,

    Irisanya
    Reclaiming teacher & priestess

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  38. Mark Green, Atheopaganism blog.

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  39. I agree and support this letter. Co-signing.

    Joe Perri

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  40. Consigned
    Mary Nash, Arachne of Forest House Coven

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  41. I am glad to see the apology and the background info from the authors of the PantyCon newsletter.

    Now can we call out PatheaCon for not addressing the palpable racism that they mentioned in their comments?

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  42. Cosigned,

    Fox Alexander Confessor Circe
    The Church of No Dead Saints/Discordian.com

    (Thanks again to Miniver Cheevy for busting his ass to assemble the materials found in this letter.)

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  43. I co sign this letter.
    Patricia Miller
    Reclaiming

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  44. M. Macha NightMare (Aline O'Brien)
    Witch at Large

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  45. I agree with and support this letter.

    Ted Infinity

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  46. Signing and supporting this letter all the way. I totally agree with it.

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  47. I wholeheartedly agree! Thank you so much for writing this. I appreciate your wisdom and insight.

    Taffy Dugan with South Bay Pagan Kids

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  48. I am in full support.

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  49. I fully agree with and support this letter. Thank you.
    Jennifer Aldrich

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  50. Cosigned,
    Adam C Blodgett

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  51. I agree with the letter and cosign with my signature. To healing, blessed and at long last, to healing.

    Faelind
    High Priestess of Tree of Knowledge Coven

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  52. I agree with and support this letter. Many thanks to Jonathan, you are a gem.

    I also wish to say thank you to the members of PantyCon for the thoughtful apology and response.

    Ravenmoon (PoC)

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  53. I love the thoughtfulness and insight of this letter from Jonathan Korman, and I’m grateful for its non-anonymous publication. Thank you!

    PantyCon writers, I kinda wish you’d posted the apology here and saved the explanations and justifications for your own blogs because they are swamping and overriding the apology, in my opinion, and making the “we’re sorry” sound too much like “we’re sorry but here’s why we did it but you didn’t get it but that’s ok we’re still sorry but it’s really CoG’s fault or the Con’s fault or at least you guys should get all worked up at them and not us but we’re still sorry.” And that last line is *really* passive-aggressive to my ears.

    Karen Krebser
    Priestess, witch, Muse’s Darling

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  54. I agree with and support this letter.

    ~
    Lisa Mc Sherry
    Author, Priestess
    JaguarMoon Coven

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  55. I also add my name.

    Thank you, Pantycon, for your apology and explaining the mindset behind this particular piece of satire.

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  56. I agree and support this letter. Thank you for this thoughtful post.

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  57. cosigned: John Halstead, Managing Editor, HumanisticPaganism.com

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  58. I agree with and sign this letter.

    Deborah Blake. author
    High Priestess, Blue Moon Circle

    And appreciation to the Pantycon folks for trying to make things better.

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  59. Thank you for Johnathan for explaining the issue.

    Thank you Pantycon for your efforts and having the courage to step forth, accept responsibility and the consequences without giving up in the future. Your work is part of the solution. Without you we would not be having this conversation and recognizing just how big of a challenge we have been ignoring.

    Scott Reimers
    Reno Magick (renomagick.com)
    Power Before Wisdom (PowerBeforeWisdom.com)

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  60. I agree with and support this letter.

    Dee Romesburg
    Phx AZ
    Unaffiliated Witch

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